Ted Williams Model 100 Serial Numbers
As we know the TW models were Winchester 1200/1400s. And the changes incorporated in the Winchester line also were incorporated in the TW line 1964-1967 being 1200/1400's, 1968-1972 being 1200/1400 MKII. As you know Winchester was horrible at keeping records and store brand models are even tougher to decipher. So Anyone who owns a Ted Williams 200/300 please post your serial numbers and two letter barrel codes and if you are the original purchaser or know the original purchase date. I have a fairly good list and am building it up month by month. So once again please post your information on your Ted Williams 200/300's so we can get a year by year mfg data base list for this line. Any other Ted Williams affectionados have any input?
May 09, 2008 Of the three different cross reference list I examined.The host's list.www.wisnersinc.com and www.hoosiergunworks.com, only one showed this model as a Ted Williams Model 100 and that was the Hoosier chart. Proofhouse.com has a store brand chart. If it is listed on there, you might be able to date it by the sn.
Either Sears never released the records,,or Winchester agreed not to release them. The Cody Museum does not have them AFAIK. It's most likely a 70's/80's mfg '94 and well worth $200 for a shooter if in nice condition IMHO. About the only thing different in the 'house brand guns' apart from the markings on it was the use of a hard wood in the stocks instead of walnut,,usually birch, then stained to look like walnut.
Sears began signing exclusive production contracts and investing in firearms manufacturers pretty early, well before they started using house brand names like Ted Williams. Andrew Fryberg & Sons Mfg Company is the earliest I know of, around 1897. Download lagu come back to you. In 1905 Sears bought it outright, moved it to Meriden, Connecticut, and manufactured firearms for Sears and other retailers (under different names) up until 1918.
A search on this forum found a link to a site that gives dates of manufacture (Savage 99 -- go figure). Anyway, I put in your serial number as ending digits 001 and 999 and both came back 1982. Link is The Old Guy.
So back into storage with it. I retired recently and have had time to go through some of my stuff. I took the shotgun out and decided to try and find out how much it was worth.
I usually collect oddities like Winchester 40's and 50's, Yet I have two of these great Sears Ted Williams 200 Shotguns SN# P296xxx and P375xxx and one model 300 SN# Q43xxx but know little of them except they were made by Sears can anyone give an MFG date on them the estate I purchased them from claim as well as they can remember Grampa had them since the mid sixties. All have vented ribs and one has a factory installed adjustable end of the barrel muzzle break, all safties are on the trigger, and all have fancy checkered stocks. They are attractive well made cool looking shotguns.
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It was probably made by Winchester. A Winchester '94 stock can be made to fit. If it's the hammerless model it's a copy of a Savage '99.
Here is some info right from the 'Sears Archives' - I think from the model numbers listed it's obvious that the three digits before the decimal represent the original manufacturer - as a Savage collector I look for 101.xx. Savage/Stevens/Fox made RANGER branded guns for Sears at least as far back as 1925 and may have been one of the first to do so. The model numbering system appears to have started somtime in the 1940's. Numrich has a large House Brand Cross Reference - take into account that it is very large and does have some errors.
Purchased mine in 10/72 and from paper work I discovered S/N was P1344XX. No idea of barrel code however. Mine did have walnut stock and forearm with nickel plated trigger. Also made with hardwood stocks I believe. Cost new was $110. Choke on barrel. Hope this provides you with some info.
Several thousand people have guns with the same number. It's aSears Roebuck ID number, not a serial number. My model 100 has the serial # under the reciever.
I'm not StoneChimney but I hope you don't mind if I post some information StoneChimney hasn't posted for quite a while and it is a loss for the forum. He was knowledgeable and his replies were a valuable asset. Any how, your TW 300 is a Winchester 1400 and was made from 1964 and 1968, your TW 200 is a Winchester 1200 and was sold by Sears, from 1964 until 1988, it is still in production. I can find neither model on the different serial number charts that are available to me., perhaps because they are modern firearms and not considered collectible such as the old Winchester Lever Actions and pre 64 models.
I guess you could stock a fair sized warehouse with one example of every firearm Sears sold. In 2001 I bought a 1968 Ted Williams M200 3 inch chamber 12 gauge. I bought 3 guns from the same man.
He wanted the shotgun and he thought the high value on the gun was $500. Even though he wanted the gun, I believe the $500 price is correct. He also wanted the box of shells. He thought they were worth about $100. Now for the curse of the shotgun.
It's aSears Roebuck ID number, not a serial number. My model 100 has the serial # under the reciever. The blue bookof firearms lists my serial # as 1964 manufacture. The model 100.30-30, if it's the one with the visible hammer, is a copy of the Winchester '94.
NTexasCharley n. N Post 64, yes, Japan, no n. NThe post-64 Winchester Model 94 rifles, including the store brand variants, were made by USRAC in New Haven CT.
He told me the day his dad returned from the service in 68, he and his dad went to Sears and his dad bought the Ted Williams. The shotgun had never been fired and looked like it just came out of the factory. The man's father had died and he came across the gun in the same closet his father had put it in in 1968. He also had the box of Sears Extra Range shells he bought the same day.
I believe you are correct I own a Ted Williams model 75 in 20 gauge with no Serial Number yet I know it has to be 1964 or after because Ted Williams name was not added to Sears items until 1964. The 1964 early Ted Williams branded firearms have the Ted Williams name printed instead of the signature scroll found on later models.
The same manual that would apply to a Winchester '94 will work for a Sears 100. Incidentally, it's a post-1964 weapon & was made in Japan. The steel of the receiver won't take a re-blue. It turns funny colors--green, purple, etc.
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I will wait for another fifty or so entries before I make a definitive conclusion. Thankyou once again for your help. Last edited by box20022; at 05:24 PM.
A local shop has a Ted Williams lever action 30/30, I know these were made by Winchester for Sears, anyone have a cross reference for dating the Ted Williams rifles? This one has a serial number of V128649, looks to be a top eject. It is in excellent shape, would make a nice truck/hunting gun, would be really great if it shot cast lead good.
Last edited by box20022; at 03:32 AM. There are many variables to be sorted out as you know. Is the barrel original to the reciever, new old stock as you stated, etc. I bought a Model 300 with a 15XXX SN from an owner who claimed it only fired single shot I purchased it for under $100 when i looked at the barrel it was a TW200 barrel dated mid 1966 so anything can happen! I eventually dated the reciever to mid 1964. It appears that they made approximately 160,000 TW300's in 15 years in 12/20 & yes even 16 gauge about 10,000 TW 300's a year, and aproximately 80,000 TW 200's per year in 12/20/16 gauge up until 1974 when sales or production appear to have been cut dramatically because I have not seen a TW200 with a serial number in the 400,000 range. I am guessing sales slumped dramatically for the TW200 after 1974 until production ceased and Sears discontinued the Ted Williams line in 1978 and all firearm sales in 1982.
My 21st edition of Gun Traders Guide lists the sears model 54 in30-30 at @$155 it was made by winchester, and has as same generalspecs as the model 94, no model 100 shown. Hope this helps alittle. This has got to be the wierdest cooinceident I have ever seen. Itoo own a Ted Williams Model 100 rifle with the exact same serialnumber that you have listed here.
I don't know what period of time Sears sold house-brand lever action rifles from both Marlin and Winchester in 30-30, but I remember seeing the Winchester 94s when I was a boy in the 1960s. All of the Sears branded Marlin 336s that I've seen were the same, or very close, to the standard Marlin branded 336 specs. All of the Sears branded Winchester 94s that I've seen were easy to differentiate for the standard Winchester branded 94 specs because the barrel on the Sears branded rifles extended beyond the end of the magazine tube. Sears 45, 101.451, 103.450, and 103.451 = Marlin 336 Sears 54, 273.2120, 273.532140, 273.53419, 273.810, and 273.811 = Winchester 94 JEff - 09/23/11 Re: 'Ted Williams' levers [] Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,589 Campfire Outfitter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,589. I have several 'store brand' guns and I like 'em just fine. For me they bring to mind fond memories of my youth, when I studied the gun sections of the Sears and Wards catalogs with enthusiasm and you could still actually order one and have it delivered to your door! My first.22 was a J.C Higgins, my first shotgun a Western Field and I killed the biggest buck of my life with a slug fired from a Ted Williams 20 gauge pump.
Hope this helps your research and be assured I never swap barrels or make any changes. Like keeping everything original.
Is chambered in 30-30 Winchester and had a Sears Catalog number of 273.532140. The Serial Number is listed on the bottom of the receiver on this hunting rifle made by Winchester specifically for Sears. It was actually known as the 'Model 94 in disguise' due to this.
Last edited by box20022; at 12:25 AM. To close out my Sears Ted Williams Barrel code theory. I believe High Standard incorporated the practice and started with J.C.
I think made by Winchester. Shoot and function well, I know as for collectors they are not very popular as I escaped with three for a hair less than $200.00 Any Ted Williams collectors or enthusiasts on this planet please post your thoughts. Last edited by box20022; at 09:01 PM. What I always thought strange was rather than just give it different model and name markings, Winchester actually made a different contoured receiver for these. The 1200/1300 gradually angles down at the rear and the 200 has a definate drop off. I think I have come pretty close to the MFG dates of my TW shotguns and they are most likely 1967-68.
I have to agree with both of you - J. Higgins goes goes back to 1908 but I have no reason to question that the version of the 94 didn't start until 1964. Prior to WWII however, J. Higgins was not used as a name on firearms - Sears used 'RANGER' for their own branded guns starting at least by the mid-twenties. Higgins products for 1908 were baseballs & some other related products.
If your gun has had the serial number removed, it is in violation of BATF rules, and must be destroyed. Check the gun over closely, as you may have overlooked the serial number. They are either behind the hammer on the top tang, or under the lever on the bottom tang, behind the trigger. NIf you can't find it in either of those locations, then remove the buttstock tang screw, and check the left side of the upper tang. It should also be there under the wood.
To meet Sears' price line both models used less expensive hard wood for the stocks and less finishing on both the external and internal metal. This is why they bring less that the parent models at sale time, they are still Winchesters except in finish and name. Hope that helps. I appreciate the help so the TW300 was only made from 1964-68 that pretty much narrows that. The TW200 from what I have been reading around was made from like you stated 1964 until 1978 with Ted Williams name on it.
He wanted the shotgun and he thought the high value on the gun was $500. Even though he wanted the gun, I believe the $500 price is correct. He also wanted the box of shells. He thought they were worth about $100. Now for the curse of the shotgun.
I have a Sears Model 100 (a Ted Williams 94 made for Sears) serial number: V160XXX. Anybody know how to date this thing? Thanks in advance.
Review of a Sears and Roebuck 30-30 Lever Action Rifle, the Ted Williams Model 100, also known as the 'Winchester 94 in disguise' (). I take it to the gun range and do some shooting and testing of the accuracy. Then back to the bench for a close-up overview of the entire rifle from stock to end of barrel. With plenty of repair and aftermarket parts and accessories available (), including solid scope mounts made for this rifle, it provides many options for customization and performance upgrades. Check out Below for Helpful Links and More Videos! The Ted Williams Model 100 from Sears Roebuck & Co.
Good to hear they are bringing better money finally. What were the serial numbers on the Ted Williams and the two letter barrel codes? I have been trying to date the serial numbers and two letter barrel codes to the year of MFG. I have come up with a hypothesis on the two letter barrel codes starting with sales in 1964 of the Ted Williams 200 and 300 shotguns.
I found that for an excelent condition shotgun like this, $300 was the highest estimate. This gun was better than excelent, it had never been fired, but for a year I couldn't get anybody to narrow it down. After all this time, I registared on this sight to get some advise. While I was waiting to be ok'ed so I could post, a gunsmith called that had a collection of guns made for Sears. Someone had given him my number. He was amazed of the condition of the gun. In all his years he had never come accross one this old that had never been fired.
In 2001 I bought a 1968 Ted Williams M200 3 inch chamber 12 gauge. I bought 3 guns from the same man. He told me the day his dad returned from the service in 68, he and his dad went to Sears and his dad bought the Ted Williams.
- 09/30/11 Re: 'Ted Williams' levers [] Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,794 Campfire 'Bwana Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 13,794. I am trying to research the Sears Lever Rifles, I have come up with 3 different Models. Model 45, Model 54, and Model 100. The Model 45's (Marlin 336)have two different Model Numbers, 103.450 & 103.451.
I really don't 'Need' another 30/30, I have a nice Pre-64 Model 94, and an 80's vintage Ranger filling the rough duty role right now. But, if I could get it for $200 or so and found it shot cast lead good, I'd be pleased. The general concensus seems to be that there are no records available for the Sears serial numbers assigned to Winchester made firearms. The Sears ser#'s are of a separate series apart from those assigned to the Winchester brand name firearms.
Mine was a Model 200 by Winchester as I have stated to box 20022 with aluminum receiver but as you state the price was right. Price back in 72 was $110 for a new one.
Hope this is of some help.
This model was made from about 1964-1978 and there is no way of telling exact year of manufacture that I am aware of. HELPFUL LINKS: **BEST Ted Williams Model 100 & Winchester 94 PARTS & ACCESSORIES: **Winchester Model 94 30-30 Rifle: --PLAYLIST on all 80+ Gun Reviews: Thanks for Watching, and don’t forget to Like, Share, and Subscribe! MOST POPULAR Videos: ALL PLAYLISTS: FIND IntoWeapons HERE: Facebook: Google+: Instagram: All Rights Reserved © 2017 IntoWeapons – Duplication, transfer or reuse of this material or excerpts thereof, is prohibited. Send inquiries for use of this material to IntoWeapons.
Both Models, 103.450 & 103.451 were manufactured by Marlin (336). Model 54 listed in the Big Book was available in 30-30 only and was listed from 1964 - 1971. Models 273.810, 273.811, and 273.2120 were manufactured by Winchester (NM94). Model 100 listed in the Big Book was available in 30-30 only and was listed from 1972 - 1982. Models 273.532140 and 273.532141 were manufactured by Winchester (NM94). The Sears Spare Parts page lists the following, 273.810 = Sears 54 Lever Action Repeating Rifle 237.811 = Sears Lever Action Repeating Rifle 273.2120 = Sears 54 Lever Action Repeating Rifle 273.53419 = Sears Winchester Carbine 273.532140 = Sears Model 100 Ted Williams Lever Action Repeating Rifle 273.532141 = Sears Model 100 Lever Action Repeating Rifle Not listed on Sears Spare Parts Page, 103.450, 103.451, 273.532151.